Ben Thomas is a former National government press secretary, a columnist and a director of public affairs firm Capital.
Andrew Kirton was a speech writer to former Prime Minister Helen Clark, the Labour Party general secretary, and was the party's campaign manager for the 2017 general election. After working with Christopher Luxon at Air New Zealand, he returned to the Beehive in 2023 as chief of staff to Prime Minister Chris Hipkins. He is now director at corporate affairs firm Richmond Bartley and is married to a current Labour MP.
Ben and Andrew discuss recent events in politics including the death of former Prime Minister Jim Bolger. Photo: The Dominion Post / John Nicholson
