In today's episode, we speak with ASB chief economist Nick Tuffley about what to expect in Budget 2025. We cross to Wellington issues reporter Nick James about a major Wellington City Council meeting looking at spending on big projects such as water infrastructure, Khandallah Pool and Begonia House. And we speak to a Christchurch principal involved in a discussion about an alternative First XV boys' rugby competition which spans the entire South Island, but would exclude co-ed schools.